Posted:
6 years ago
May 10, 2011, 2:07 PM EDT

Hi

what is the difference with your case and a standard COMSOL continuous boundary condition then ?

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Ivar

Hi
what is the difference with your case and a standard COMSOL continuous boundary condition then ?
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Good luck
Ivar

Posted:
6 years ago
May 11, 2011, 6:19 PM EDT

Now I have figured out they are exactly the same! I am doing a project that use same model to compare the result of comsol and ansys in some specific contact condition, such as bonded, frictionless and frcitional. During the process I have found that with same force, same structured mesh, The maxium Von mises stress I have got from comsol is usually larger than ansys while the displacement in 2 softwares is exactly the same! So I wonder if comsol and ansys may have some difference in processing or selection maxium von mises stress?

Second question, Now I am using comsol to perform frictional contact in a 2D model just like the 3D model I mentioned before. I define the static coefficient as 0.2, However the result is the same as no friction . I have viewed the sliding_wedge model in the help document and tried different friction coefficient, it seemed to work well with different displacement. However, when I changed the spring force, a displacement related force, to constant force, the displacement on the square is the same as no friction, which means no matter how large the static coefficient is, the displacement won't change. Now I am totally confused, could you please give me some advice?

Now I have figured out they are exactly the same! I am doing a project that use same model to compare the result of comsol and ansys in some specific contact condition, such as bonded, frictionless and frcitional. During the process I have found that with same force, same structured mesh, The maxium Von mises stress I have got from comsol is usually larger than ansys while the displacement in 2 softwares is exactly the same! So I wonder if comsol and ansys may have some difference in processing or selection maxium von mises stress?
Second question, Now I am using comsol to perform frictional contact in a 2D model just like the 3D model I mentioned before. I define the static coefficient as 0.2, However the result is the same as no friction . I have viewed the sliding_wedge model in the help document and tried different friction coefficient, it seemed to work well with different displacement. However, when I changed the spring force, a displacement related force, to constant force, the displacement on the square is the same as no friction, which means no matter how large the static coefficient is, the displacement won't change. Now I am totally confused, could you please give me some advice?

Nagi Elabbasi
Certified Consultant
Posted:
6 years ago
May 12, 2011, 12:25 AM EDT

The results with and without friction can be the same if there is no tendency for the contacting bodies to slip relative to each other. You should check the tangential displacements at the two surfaces in the frictionless case. More likely however there is an input error, since it is hard to create a realistic frictionless contact problem where there is no relative tangential slip.

Nagi Elabbasi

Veryst Engineering

The results with and without friction can be the same if there is no tendency for the contacting bodies to slip relative to each other. You should check the tangential displacements at the two surfaces in the frictionless case. More likely however there is an input error, since it is hard to create a realistic frictionless contact problem where there is no relative tangential slip.
Nagi Elabbasi
Veryst Engineering

Posted:
6 years ago
May 12, 2011, 5:23 AM EDT

I have set the frictionless contact for the model, and the result is the same as that in ansys. I have a normal pressure on the vertical surface of the contact region. The contact surface of square would deform under the pressure, which leads to a slide of partial surface against the rigid surface of steel. The friction coefficient is against this slip trend. Thus the contact surface would deform more slightly than other position without friction force. And the square deforms into a trapezium. However, in comsol no matter how I adjust the static coefficient of friction, the square deforms into a smaller square, just like a frictionless contact. I am wondering why comsol would neglect the friction coefficient.

I have set the frictionless contact for the model, and the result is the same as that in ansys. I have a normal pressure on the vertical surface of the contact region. The contact surface of square would deform under the pressure, which leads to a slide of partial surface against the rigid surface of steel. The friction coefficient is against this slip trend. Thus the contact surface would deform more slightly than other position without friction force. And the square deforms into a trapezium. However, in comsol no matter how I adjust the static coefficient of friction, the square deforms into a smaller square, just like a frictionless contact. I am wondering why comsol would neglect the friction coefficient.

Posted:
6 years ago
May 14, 2011, 6:25 PM EDT

Now I have figure out why I could not solve the frictional contact problem . And I wish to share my solution. I have not set the parametric solver in the solver setting! To solve a frictional contact problem, it is essential to use parametric solver to increase the force incrementally. For example,the boundary load is set as F*para and para is defined as 0.1 0.3 0.6 0.8 1 in the parametric solver to increase the load from0.1F to F. Moreover, manual scaling and relative tolerance should be set carefully to solve the nonlinear problem successfully.(sometimes the solution time is challenging your level of patience. To get the result in a simple 3D model, the solver runs for as long as 5 hours! while ansys only needs several minutes.I wish further improvement in the frictional model of comsol.)The sliding wedge model in the structural mechanics really helps me a lot.

Now I have figure out why I could not solve the frictional contact problem . And I wish to share my solution. I have not set the parametric solver in the solver setting! To solve a frictional contact problem, it is essential to use parametric solver to increase the force incrementally. For example,the boundary load is set as F*para and para is defined as 0.1 0.3 0.6 0.8 1 in the parametric solver to increase the load from0.1F to F. Moreover, manual scaling and relative tolerance should be set carefully to solve the nonlinear problem successfully.(sometimes the solution time is challenging your level of patience. To get the result in a simple 3D model, the solver runs for as long as 5 hours! while ansys only needs several minutes.I wish further improvement in the frictional model of comsol.)The sliding wedge model in the structural mechanics really helps me a lot.

Posted:
6 years ago
May 15, 2011, 3:03 AM EDT

Hi

Interesting, what you are reporting here

But I see no reason why COMSOL should not solve the model in a few minutes also.

I agree it's worth investigating. For you it could also be worth to ask "support" then you will get the clear response how to get the solution also quickly with COMSOL.

Pls report it back, as it is of general interest for us out here, I believe

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Good luck

Ivar

Hi
Interesting, what you are reporting here
But I see no reason why COMSOL should not solve the model in a few minutes also.
I agree it's worth investigating. For you it could also be worth to ask "support" then you will get the clear response how to get the solution also quickly with COMSOL.
Pls report it back, as it is of general interest for us out here, I believe
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Good luck
Ivar